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>Democracy, what democracy?


>2nd post in as many days, this is what the election has done to me.

I think the current state of British politics is dismal. I have my own thoughts about where the country should go. Who should be PM and thoughts on the dissolved UK state?

The SNP member Angus Robinson made an interesting point today. He stated that LibDems should side with Labour due to the fact that Scotland and Wales voted for Labour and that Scotland won’t be able to accept a coalition who became 3rd and 4th in Scotland. All 3 main party leaders have said that they should be doing what is best in the national interest. I have a question as to which nation they are talking to. The SNP are talking more about Scotland than UK but do Nick and Dave mean England rather than UK. I assume Gordon would be talking about UK as he is Scottish.

Scotland will not accept a Conservative government in any sense. It will provide the SNP and the Scots greater ammo to make Scotland independant which will be reflected in the Scottish elections next year. Scotland will not accept Conservatives making decisions on the economy and the issues that concern Scotland that are still held by the UK parliament. Scotland will not accept a minority of English people deciding on the Scottish economy, foreign issues and some home issues etc. This reminds me of Edward VIII manipulating John Balliol into the Scottish Monarchy. That didn’t end well for the English.
I  can’t speak for Wales, i’m not Welsh and i don’t know the Welsh feelings.

Whoever comes into a power – there should be a referendum on the state of the UK dissolved state. I would expect a referendum to ask the people of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland on whether:

 – things stay the same.
 – England get a dissolved parliament and a parliament for UK issues
 – All countries become independent
 – All countries become united. One parliament

I think with this referendum there needs to be a referendum on the voting system and not just FPTP and AV. That’s like asking the country, do you want this undemocratic system or this potentially more undemocratic system. Let’s face it in 2005 would have gained a higher majority in parliament with the same minority of votes(35.5%).

As for what should happen as a result of this election, i think David Cameron should be PM but only allowed a majority on English issues only but for a Labour-LibDem coalition on UK issues. That is I believe what is in the national interest both England’s interest and UK’s national interest.

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  1. June 14, 2010 at 21:11

    >I wouldn't personally supported a Lib-Labour coalition.

  2. Nic
    June 14, 2010 at 21:12

    >How come? Uk wise – socio-economically it probably would have been better.

  3. June 14, 2010 at 21:17

    >because labour got less votes than the conservatives and my purpose for my vote was anti-labour as well as PR. I use to support for the conservative party because of labour so for me it would be a kick in the teeth to have labour rule again after 13 years. I think the lib dems should of just let the conservative party run by themselves and let them fall flat on their face but as we know that didn't happen.

  4. Nic
    June 14, 2010 at 21:28

    >i agree, i didn't want labour but then again i don't want conservative.I don't think letting the conservatives fall flat on their face would have worked because then either we would go back to a 2-party system due to LibDems not being able to work with conservatives meaning we're stuck with a) majority government or b) a Lab-Lib coalition – i don't think Liberals could really then say that PR works if it only allows 4 possible outcomes.Plus a "rainbow coalition' might have been seen to destabilise the union as it would be an "anti-Tory" coalition and therefore an "anti-English" coalition which would mean we would have to sort out this devolved UK mess which allows this socio-economic divide to continue as we've discussed on twitter.

  5. June 14, 2010 at 21:33

    >Yeah but we will still have a two party system we are only getting a referendum on AV and that doesn't guarantee people will vote yes as the conservative party with murdoch will go into overdrive. Labour will be lukewarm on it. Its just paying lip service really. With the lib dems being in the coalition then it really only leaves Labour to scrutenise which I don't trust them in that accept to look like the better party. There should of been another election set in 2 years time,

  6. Nic
    June 14, 2010 at 22:11

    >We can ourselves campaign for AV. Mobilise everyone – i think a lot more people want PR than the parties realise.

  7. June 14, 2010 at 22:25

    >I can't because it would certainly means years before its taken seriously again unless with another election like we just had. There is no point settling for AV you may as well keep First-Past-the-post rather than waste people time.

  8. Nic
    June 15, 2010 at 07:26

    >I think if we don't vote AV then labour and conservatives will use it to say that the country doesn't want pr. They will use it for generations, possibly centuries saying the country doesn't want change.

  9. June 15, 2010 at 10:18

    >All hail the Scots, of which I am half! English Labour MPs have cottoned on to this and have been visiting various parts of Scotland to learn from them.

  10. Nic
    June 15, 2010 at 12:12

    >Liza – i think part of the reason that Labour membership has gone up due to the election is because we don't want the Tories in government and the fact we don't want to the English deciding matters that will inevitably hit Scotland hardest out of the 4 home nations. It will hit North England hard to but as a whole it will hit Scotland hardest.I'm a first generation Scot, I'm half English so i can't hate you too much.

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